SSD BASICALLY OWNS YOUR FACE Wrote:

SnakeTheFox Wrote:

+Deagle+ Wrote:i still say all you need is just one...ONE...Fake Nascar strapped with some C4 and detonate the right time...lol suicide nascar! the sponsor could be HK lol

I know this guy online, bought a H&K USP .45 Match, and it ended up literally exploding in his hand, after the second time he used it.

Personally I'll take a Springfield Armory GI .45 or Rock Island Armory .45 any day. Reliable, resilient, inexpensive (compared to a H&K USP .45 Match, at least), powerful, and most of all, metal. Not made out of shitty plastics and polymers like that Glock or H&K shit. That of course depends on the model, of course you CAN get polymer SA/RHA .45's, but real men carry metal.

HAHAHAHAHH! I know a guy online that made peanut butter...[/sarcasm]
People say whatever they want on the internet, probably bought a Hi-Point and is butt-hurt.
Besides, that would be an ammunition problem, most likely. That's what you get for firing $3.99 Wolf-shit .45 through your $1200 HK masterpiece. And why would Heckler-Koch be the choice of tactical and military firearms of most countries? I don't honestly see how (ahem, deep breath..)Germany, Iran, Greece, Spain, Mexico, Argentina, Sweden(home of your precious Carl Gustav),Norway, Great Britain(who had Heckler-Koch to totally renovate their faulty weapons system) and hundreds upon thousands of police tactical squads would incorporate their submachine guns, assault rifles, pistols, and shotguns. Not only that but the United States Special Operations Command requested them to produce the Mk. 23 especially for them. Amazing stuff, huh? I doubt so many agencies, governments, and armies would incorporate untrustworthy weapons systems, AND KEEP THEM. Its expensive shit for a reason. It works. Real men carry dependable firearms. Not metal. Tell that to my Raven Arms .25 auto paperweight.

They're money-grubbing jews, what can you expect. Of course they're going to sell their stuff. But I was more referring to their civilian legal bullshit. They make quality firearms for their military/law enforcement clients (obviously), but when it comes to their civilian market, they're policy is;

"WE'D LIKE TO SELL YOU THIS GUN AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE NICE PICTURES OF THIS GUN BUT WE WONT SELL YOU THIS GUN BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT AN OPERATOR, ONLY OPERATING OPERATORS CAN OPERATE THIS OPERATORS FIREARM PROPERLY, AND YOU'RE NOT AN OPERATING OPERATOR, SO HERE'S SOME REALLY EXPENSIVE PISTOL THAT FIRES THE SAME AMMUNITION AS EVERY OTHER CIVILIAN LEGAL GUN, BUT WITH LESS RELIABILITY IN THE FIELD, AND HORRENDOUS PRICING! REALLY, WE'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU THE GOOD SHIT, BUT FRANKLY, YOU'RE NOT AN OPERATORS OPERATING OPERATOR THAT CAN REASONABLY OPERATE OUR OPERATING OPERATIONS WITHOUT OPERATING. THANKS, LOOK AT OUR SHIT, BUY OUR SHIT, BREAK OUR SHIT, AND HAVE A NICE DAY. ALSO, F*CK YOU, SINCERELY, HECKLER AND KOCH MARKETING DEPARTMENT, AKA THE GUYS WHO THREW A GAS PISTON ON AN AR15-CLONE AND CHARGED 5 TIMES AS MUCH FOR IT. YEAH!"

All of their civi-legal stuff is complete and utter shit, and I have this information from many friends and acquaintances, not all over the internet. That aforementioned friend also owned some old 1911 Clone (I'll have to remember to ask him the name) and used the same ammunition for BOTH of them at the range. He actually used up 2 boxes on the 1911 before using just 2 magazines full for the crappy USP .45 Match, and BOOM, it goes kaboom. Well that basically blew your theory into the sky.

SSD BASICALLY OWNS YOUR FACE Wrote:Real men carry dependable firearms.

Exactly why not to own an H&K Firearm.

You want true flawless dependability, buy a revolver.

If you want close to flawless dependability, at a reasonable price, buy a 1911 Clone (not some mass produced shit, probably RIA or SA, as mentioned).

If you want shit quality, shit dependability, and an outrageous price and god awful customer support, buy some H&K Pistol chambered in anything higher than 9x19mm.

But again, I'm talking about their line of pistols and such. I don't think neither you nor I can reasonably comment on the quality of their military/law enforcement-grade weaponry, so I wont touch on that, although I do believe it to be of far-greater quality than their pistols.

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Not every round is going to explode. Bad ammo happens. Dud rounds happen. He could have shot 10,000 more rounds and nothing would have blown up. Shit happens. I don't see how its the pistols fault that a bad round blew up. That's like blaming Ford for the Firestone recall.

I don't see how my theory was blown to the sky...?
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The 416 is a police carbine. FEW lowers and uppers leaked and yeah, they went for oodles, but that's just supply and demand.

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Recently Heckler-Koch has abused their American civilian market. Rifle wise that is. But look at it at their perspective. They import rifles that are controversial, by high-cap, semiauto, and blacked-out. Not gonna sell like they did in 86'.

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There's a difference between the P8 and HK USP. The model stamp.
Pistol-wise, civilians can purchase the same HK pistols that a police officer, or commando for that matter would use.



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Hey, not fair! You edited! haha.

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Quote:Exactly why not to own an H&K Firearm.

USP is used by German police, and military. And countless other police agencies and world armies. Its basically tying in my first post with this one. The military pistols are essentially the civilian pistols. Its like comparing a Beretta 92 and an M9.

SSD BASICALLY OWNS YOUR FACE Wrote:-
Not every round is going to explode. Bad ammo happens. Dud rounds happen. He could have shot 10,000 more rounds and nothing would have blown up. Shit happens. I don't see how its the pistols fault that a bad round blew up. That's like blaming Ford for the Firestone recall.

I don't see how my theory was blown to the sky...?
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The 416 is a police carbine. FEW lowers and uppers leaked and yeah, they went for oodles, but that's just supply and demand.

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Recently Heckler-Koch has abused their American civilian market. Rifle wise that is. But look at it at their perspective. They import rifles that are controversial, by high-cap, semiauto, and blacked-out. Not gonna sell like they did in 86'.

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There's a difference between the P8 and HK USP. The model stamp.
Pistol-wise, civilians can purchase the same HK pistols that a police officer, or commando for that matter would use.

Well I say civi-legal I'm referring to rifles, as yes, I know, nearly all pistols are civi-legal and the police get the same guns.

All I'm sayin' is I've heard nothing of 1911 unreliability, but have heard tons of USP unreliability. I go by what I hear and see, and what I hear and see is a whole bunch of pistols exploding.

But H&K isn't the true enemy here. It's Glock. Yes, Glock. If we're going to talk about exploding pistols, Glock's gonna have to come into play. I forgot what the polymer percentage in Glocks is, but if I recall it's something obscene.

Once again. I fail to see where you are coming from. Their rifle quality is amazing. The abuse I was referring to was that the SL-8 (civilian G36 clone) and USC (civilian UMP clone) are not as military like, as say the HK-91. But that was to work around bans, and import laws. The HK civilian rifles are expensive and coveted for a reason. They are excellent quality. USP quality is also good, I'd like to see all of these exploding USP pistols. You've still lost me in the fact that your saying polymer = horrible? I still fail to see the logic in that. I've seen many more Smith and Wesson (yes, even revolvers)pistols and so forth that had rounds explode in the chamber. Polymers help keep down weight, its still not a toy.

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SSD BASICALLY OWNS YOUR FACE Wrote:Once again. I fail to see where you are coming from. Their rifle quality is amazing. The abuse I was referring to was that the SL-8 (civilian G36 clone) and USC (civilian UMP clone) are not as military like, as say the HK-91. But that was to work around bans, and import laws. The HK civilian rifles are expensive and coveted for a reason. They are excellent quality. USP quality is also good, I'd like to see all of these exploding USP pistols. You've still lost me in the fact that your saying polymer = horrible? I still fail to see the logic in that. I've seen many more Smith and Wesson (yes, even revolvers)pistols and so forth that had rounds explode in the chamber. Polymers help keep down weight, its still not a toy.

Their civi-rifle and pistol quality is poor. They might as well be toys, albeit toys that throw bullets around, but they're expensive and break easily. Polymers keep down weight, but their first applications were simply to replace otherwise wooden parts. Now guns are being made with an obscene amount of polymer parts, and again, I trust metal over polymer any day of the week. But the polymer isn't the problem I'm having, it's with the battle over reliability VS pricing, which any properly made 1911 clone will always come out ahead of, when compared to H&K/Glock (this is of course assuming you're not going to buy one of those overpriced pimped out 1911's).

...I'd like you to back up that bad quality claim... Their newer rifles albeit goofy looking, are well made. You may be confusing clone rifles with HK made weapons. And now you are claiming that pistol quality is bad too? You seem to be contradicting your self..

Quote:Well I say civi-legal I'm referring to rifles, as yes, I know, nearly all pistols are civi-legal and the police get the same guns.

SSD BASICALLY OWNS YOUR FACE Wrote:...I'd like you to back up that bad quality claim... Their newer rifles albeit goofy looking, are well made. You may be confusing clone rifles with HK made weapons. And now you are claiming that pistol quality is bad too? You seem to be contradicting your self..

Quote:Well I say civi-legal I'm referring to rifles, as yes, I know, nearly all pistols are civi-legal and the police get the same guns.

I was admitting they got the same guns and that civi-legal and law enforcement models are the same, not saying the guns were quality. Your claim was that the P8 and UMP were the same, which I was agreeing with; I was not however saying that the pistols were quality. That sentence had nothing to do with quality concerns, it was on the topic of what is and is not civi-legal, so that's taking it out of context.

Anyhow this is dragging on painfully long. My point is that I have heard (I'm sorry I can't provide sources; I don't record phone/IRL conversations) from a lot of gun-freaks I know, that H&K pistols are overpriced, unreliable garbage WHEN you compare them to a solid made 1911 clone from RIA or SA.

Sounds good to me. But I would be fine with a Smith and Wesson pistol.

Deadpool Wrote:Sounds good to me. But I would be fine with a Smith and Wesson pistol.

Perfectly fine gun, but if you're going for revolvers, I've always had a massive fetish for Mateba's (and no, it has nothing to do with Trigun damnit), although I know absolutely no one who owns one; they're horribly expensive, and provide no real benifit over a Smith and Wesson.

They just look pretty cool is all.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mateba_Autorevolver