Did you know: That most modern wars in history have been ended due to the media? For example, the War Vietnam. The troops were sent back home because of public out cry.

This can be easily put into the console war. The public are fickle. The more negative reviews they see, they more they'll think of going to another console, a few people pointing out the good against the bad wont affect the majority.

But, again, as has been stated, some games may well change this.



Also, get of your DVD playing high-horse. This is about games.

Well the format that the game is on does make a difference, however it's just one factor.

While this is about consoles, I'll bring up a PC reference. Many years ago most games were on floppy disks rather than CDs. Therefore the games did not have high quality sound or stunning cut scenes.

A floppy disk held only about 1.4MB, while an MP3 is typically around 3MB. Therefore a typical song wouldn't of even been able to fit on that floppy unless you lowered the sound quality. Anyway, the point is that since the format was rather limited at the time the games looked rather simple and didn't have all the flashy stuff that modern games have (such as a real sound track and so on). However, that didn't mean they sucked, despite the limitations the gameplay was still good in most games. Which brings us back to the whole Wii Vs. PS3 debate. Think of the Wii as the Wolfenstein 3D (the floppy version for the PC), and the PS3 as Pong (the PS1 version).

Wolfenstein 3D = an early kickass FPS title.

Pong (PS1) = crappy remake of the classic on a more modern console

But as I previously said the PS3 still has a chance to redeem itself. While I'm a fan of the Wii I'll admit that it's more of a secondary console though, so therefore the real fight is the 360 Vs. the PS3.

At it's low price tag and current game selection as well as upcoming titles the Wii still puts up a good fight vs. the PS3 though IMO. For $250 you get a unique gaming experience, that is backward compatible with the GameCube. While for $150 more you get a $400 blu-ray player with a decent selection of games that's NOT backward compatible with the PS2 at all.

This post was last modified: 02-22-2008 09:26 AM by GaMeR.

I LOVE these new guys.

Finally some decent minded gamers who still have a grasp on what games, and by effect, consoles are supposed to be.

You're PS3 may have the most successful DVD format... so what?

I bought my console so I could enjoy games, not see King Kongs nipple hair in HD.

The PS3 has lost. But I'm betting with how stubborn Mohd often seems to be, he'll continue defending it until LONG AFTER its dying breath. I can see it now, 30 years down the road and he'll still be hooked on how "The PS3 is superior".

It's time to face the facts Mohd, this generation of gamers still have some concept on what makes or breaks a console, and they've decided DVD format isn't one of them... it's games.

Now I've gone on half-hour rants on how games make or break a console, but that's not what this thread is about.

But then again arguing between the PS3 and the Wii is kinda fruitless, I mean it's clear the Wii has won ("The wii has won", anyone wanna secure that phrase to Pwnem, sounds like a good marketing slogan).

This post was last modified: 02-22-2008 01:36 PM by SnakeTheFox.

The Fromat war effects the console war. Now with the blu-ray being the winning format. The PlayStation 3 will be more appealing to gamers as an investment. They will know that they're not forking 399$ for nothing. More install base, more games for the PS3 and the developers will start giving the PS3 its true value.

Anyway, you said it SnakeTheFox, games are the most important thing. And I see a huge exclusive games that are coming on the PlayStation 3.

Great, now he's trying to turn my hair into a carpet AND a reason to defend the PS3. Fail Mohdgame.

The *format* does effect the console war... kinda in the same way Fries decide which fast food joint I'm going to eat at, but I'll be damned if Mcdonalds fries are going to make me choose them over Wendys, because Wendys has better Burgers, the MAIN attraction for fast food junkies like me.

If you missed the analogy, Burgers=Games, Wendys=360. In b4 "lol PS3 equals teh Outback Steakhouse than lmao!".

No, now it's more appealing to elitest 12 year olds and movie buffs. Wrong again.

So Mass Effect, Bioshock, GoW, Frontlines: Fuel of War Halo 3, Lost Odyssey, ext ext ext are nothing? Once again, Mohdgame ignores games as a valid source for console success.

Me, like the most of the rest of the gaming world, have given up on Sony's false promises that "It'll get better guys, we promise!".

Seriously Mohdgame, sometimes I'm left to question if Sony PAYS you to suck their nuts.

This post was last modified: 02-22-2008 11:44 PM by SnakeTheFox.

No, it is different. Because some people would buy the PS3 for blu-ray primarily, then they'll choose to buy games in the PS3 instead of their 360. And eventually, sell their crappy filled with glitches system.

No offense, but Japaneses products are far more superior than American. Recently I bought a Toyota and it is much reliable than my dad's Hummer.

There alot of 12 year olds in the games market.

All I can see is 4 exclusives. Bioshock and Front Line are on the PC. Lost Odyssey is the only good thing in the 360. But I am not missing it, I have a pirated 360. :P

That's why it is selling faster than the 360, with no games, with a hell of a competition, bad media, high price.

And the 360 sold at the same period with hype, games, no competition, and a reasonable price.

No offense, but you don't live in America. You've probably experienced the import shit we don't put up with. Also, I assume you're talking H2 or H3. If you're talking the original Hummer, HAH! There's a reason the Japanese Defense Force uses HMMWV's and not Toyota's, lmao...

Also we're talking about the gaming market, the same rules don't apply. The Japanese may have a craft for quality, but they also huddle around 8 year olds wearing daisy dukes who're pissing on the ground and take pictures. Not exactly a culture I respect anymore.

If you want to buy stuff marketed at 12 year olds, feel free.

Those of us mature people will enjoy things our age. Hey, I hear they have a sale on Hannah Montana DVD's at Walmart, want me to pick you up one?

I can buy you some glasses while I'm there, too.

No, it's selling because Japanese are xenophobic assholes who couldn't buy anything not made in there own damn home country if their lives depended on it.

This post was last modified: 02-23-2008 12:34 AM by SnakeTheFox.

Uhm, I thought the United States are defending japan? And the hummer that is imported to us is the same ones that are made in the United States. Hummer H2 and Toyota LandCruiser carry the same price tag here. Th

If it was free, sure. I am a simple person who enjoys almost everything. But it seems you missed the point. There are 12 year olds who are willing to buy the PS3. Thus, PS3 sales goes up and the install base will grow bigger, thus, more games.

My eyes are fine.

I know loads of Americans who does the same thing. They'd buy 360 over PS3 because 360 is American. But yes, sometimes they do that.

Japan still has a Self Defense Force, just not a full blown military. They have tanks, jets, ext ext, just not in bulk.

The H2 and H3 hummers are shit. However, there's a reason they're not the ones in use throughout the world as a military-grade FAV. The Hummer (H1) is, and it's a beast. The H2 and H3 are crappy dumbed down versions designed for soccer moms.

Herein lies our difference. You see the PS3 through these convoluted, business eyes. I see it through the eyes of an experienced gamer.

Thus, I see its flaws and failures towards the gaming industry, and how it aims at childish juvenile stereotypes to sell its product, you see "selling and growth potential".

Not from where I'm sitting.

Every nation does it. However, to the amount and the extremity the Japanese practice it, it's unheard of.

This is quite a fast paced argument, I spend one day of playing mass effect and I'm like a page behind.
Mohdgame is never going to accept defeat and He'll drag this on till sonys the new sega.
Your just rambling Mohdgame.